Published Jan 9, 2024

18. Jason Fried on Why Work Doesn't Need to Be Crazy

Jason Fried, co-founder of Basecamp, joins Steve Glaveski to advocate for transformative workplace practices, emphasizing flexible hours, wellness, and asynchronous communication to challenge traditional metrics of success and cultivate a calm, independent work environment.
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  • Async Comm.

    Jason Fried emphasizes the importance of asynchronous communication at Basecamp. By allowing team members to respond on their own schedules, they avoid unnecessary interruptions and maintain a better flow state. This approach contrasts with the urgency often created by real-time communication tools like Slack 1.

    Most communication in an organization should be asynchronous, not real time. Real time turns everything into an ASAP moment, into the expectation of immediate response.

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    Steve Glaveski agrees, noting that frequent email checks can disrupt deep work, and suggests that organizations should adopt similar practices to enhance productivity 2.

       

    Meeting Eff.

    Efficient meetings are crucial for productivity, according to Jason. At Basecamp, they avoid shared calendars to prevent easy scheduling of unnecessary meetings. This practice forces team members to request time directly, making them more mindful of others' schedules 3.

    If you want to talk to someone or have a meeting with someone, you have to go ask them. You have to ask them for their time.

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    Steve highlights the opportunity cost of travel for meetings, advocating for virtual meetings to save time and resources 4.

       

    Boundaries

    Setting clear boundaries is essential for maintaining personal time and mental health. Jason explains that Basecamp does not expect immediate responses, allowing employees to focus without constant interruptions. This cultural expectation helps prevent burnout and promotes a healthier work-life balance 5.

    If the organization expects and demands immediate response, you're going to run into the situation where people feel like they have no choice but to constantly be tethered to email.

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    Steve adds that setting boundaries with clients is also crucial, as it ensures that employees are not overworked and can maintain their personal lives 6.

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